tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post113381891366471354..comments2023-05-11T06:38:10.143-07:00Comments on Radon Thoughts: Rom 7, an indicator.Lockheedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05433104440503646253noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133993209587481042005-12-07T14:06:00.000-08:002005-12-07T14:06:00.000-08:00clarification: "One could not be called either bla...clarification: "One could not be called either blameless or righteous apart from faith, for whatever is not of faith is sin."<BR/><BR/>I mean in the sense of the OT verses mentioned.Lockheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433104440503646253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133992478390897792005-12-07T13:54:00.000-08:002005-12-07T13:54:00.000-08:00There are two issues here that seem to be discussi...There are two issues here that seem to be discussing: positional righteousness and so-called practical righteousness. I believe one's practical righteousness is a result of their positional righteousness. That is, a person's sanctification will follow their justification they're intertwined in that respect. A person of faith will in fact show fruit of that faith.<BR/><BR/>Therefore you write: <I>Lockheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433104440503646253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133985330317620162005-12-07T11:55:00.000-08:002005-12-07T11:55:00.000-08:00Dear Micah,How would you account for the plurality...Dear Micah,<BR/><BR/>How would you account for the plurality of the commands of God mentioned in Luke 1:6. Notice that their obedience is not collapsed into a statement of faith but rather presented in a robust expression of their faithfulness. Indeed, the text of God's holy word declares that they had obeyed God and were blameless before him. <BR/><BR/>Some OT passages that inform what this Kevin James Bywaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312554432307360491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133983410482997622005-12-07T11:23:00.000-08:002005-12-07T11:23:00.000-08:00That's my thinking as well, however, I'm not able ...That's my thinking as well, however, I'm not able to devote more than a cursory look at things and I don't want to defraud Kevin by suggesting that I am seriously engaged in the discussion. Perhaps later. <BR/><BR/>And no, I'm not bowing out. My observation stands and is confirmed by the discussion of Ridderbos and Moo. ;) (who!?)Lockheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433104440503646253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133983247355882552005-12-07T11:20:00.000-08:002005-12-07T11:20:00.000-08:00May I encourage you & Kevin to continue this discu...May I encourage you & Kevin to continue this discussion here on your blog Micah? I think it would be profitable for all of us.Barbarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01702840957941498550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133979659526583312005-12-07T10:20:00.000-08:002005-12-07T10:20:00.000-08:00Kevin,As I stated before: "The 'law of Christ' the...Kevin,<BR/><BR/>As I stated before: "The 'law of Christ' then is the perfect Law of God obeyed by faith in Christ Jesus." This is what Luke 1:6 is talking about, Luke 1:6 is not suggesting that these individuals had a righteousness of their own that obtained blamelessness, while they were surely holy people walking by faith, this is what made their deeds righteous and their lives blameless. Yet Lockheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433104440503646253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133952888505301452005-12-07T02:54:00.000-08:002005-12-07T02:54:00.000-08:00Micah, I'd like to engage your thoughts but you've...Micah, I'd like to engage your thoughts but you've provided so few specifics that I'm not sure where to grasp. You keep waving your hands in such general ways and provide no particular references. But if your assertions hold up (regarding what some FV folks advocate), then you should be able to provide the references yourself. <BR/><BR/>Regarding NCT, I guess I can say that I too have interacted Kevin James Bywaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312554432307360491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133940854014898722005-12-06T23:34:00.000-08:002005-12-06T23:34:00.000-08:00Micah - I agreeMicah - I agreerustypthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14050680318878122036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133914303160234412005-12-06T16:11:00.000-08:002005-12-06T16:11:00.000-08:00One clarification...I wrote: The 'law of Christ' i...One clarification...<BR/><BR/>I wrote: <I>The 'law of Christ' is the Law of God expressed in its fullness in Christ as opposed to the Law of Moses (as viewed by the Jews of Paul's era)</I><BR/><BR/>I do not mean to say here that the Law of Christ and the Law of Moses are different laws, rather they are different expressions of the one Law of God, which is holy, righteous and good. In Matt 5~6 Lockheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433104440503646253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133914079826142702005-12-06T16:07:00.000-08:002005-12-06T16:07:00.000-08:001) by 'perfect standard of righteousness' I am ref...1) by 'perfect standard of righteousness' I am referring to the view that some seem to be adopting wherein the Law didn't demand perfection and/OR that partial obedience Law could be considered as keeping the Law. As to the who, one might review the works of several authors out there and see this trend. As to NCT types, I've heard this view preached in their churches, but as "God doesn't expect Lockheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433104440503646253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6710587.post-1133897940803760022005-12-06T11:39:00.000-08:002005-12-06T11:39:00.000-08:00Micah, I've got a few questions for you, if you do...Micah, I've got a few questions for you, if you don't mind. <BR/><BR/>1) Precisely who among the "FV types" does not hold that the law is "a perfect standard of righteousness"? I'm not familiar with them doing that. <BR/><BR/>2) Do you mean to limit the law to the ten commandments? Surely there are lots more. <BR/><BR/>3) What do you make of "the law of Christ"? I'm not in with the NCT group, butKevin James Bywaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312554432307360491noreply@blogger.com